“We are in between tragedy and optimism. This is the Ukrainian state of mind right now. You feel like you are in the middle of the cyclone and whatever happens here affects the whole world.”

2019 interview with Krolikowski Art, the artists and organisers of the Metamodern Arts Festival in Kyiv.

When I was in my early 20s I felt like art was dying, because the only art that really had an influence on human life anymore was advertising.

Alexander: People are always asking us ‘what makes art Metamodern?’ and my opinion is that Metamodern art subscribes to this idea of a ‘meta-narrative’ whilst using the tactics and tools of Postmodernism. Metamodern art aims to experiment and incite discussion about returning to a ‘meta-narrative’, so I’m sure that the festival will be really important for that. Through art we can understand the current human situation and people’s hopes towards the future.

Krolikowski Art

In previous eras people were connected to a meta-narrative, they didn’t separate their own story from the story of the universe.

Alexandra: In some ways yes, definitely. But the spiritual aspect is about self awareness and constructing your own belief system, not being engaged in mainstream or marginal cults or religions. It’s a spirituality produced from your own experience.

The UFO phenomenon tells us something about contemporary mythology.

Tarn: What are some of the themes that appear in your work?

Krolikowski Art

Ukraine is currently living in two paradigms, it has some Postmodernist distance from the tragedy of previous generations, but at the same time we hope and believe in a bright future.

Alexandra: I wouldn’t agree that it’s infantilism, but as Jung proposed people often see such strange phenomenons in very turbulent times. In the 90s, especially in Ukraine, it was very tough. You wouldn’t believe what kind of hell we survived. It was a horrible decade, and mostly people saw UFOs or things like fairies and angels in times when they got desperately disappointed in the power and protection of government, church or any higher power, so they felt detached and abandoned.

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Tarn Rodgers Johns

I am a Berlin-based writer, editor and creator exploring how to create a thriving, just future worth living for. www.tarnrodgersjohns.com